VERY long term storage...15 years (underground)

[DaGimp]

Cool article about storing a weapon uncle sam might not want you to have.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html

[wrenchjunkie]

Neat info. I was also told that storing in the vertical position provides a smaller signal to ground penetrating radar like they use to find remains and such and that a piece of metal scrap not foreign to the area, ie. axe head in logging country, shovel head in mining country, may be used to further obscure the vertical image. GPS works well to locate but don't use for a waypoint but rather to triangulate from surrounding spots that make reasonable, inconspicuous waypoints and save relativity to another device or paper.

[gunrunner1911]

If worried about metal detectors "seeding of the ground with some rebar might keep them looking longer than they planned. Might even be fun if your real stash is stored off site.

[PhantomRage]

If it gets to the point we have to hide this kind of stuff you might as well make it explode if you dig it up. That is, if you don't know how to disarm it.

[hillrat]

If it gets to the point we have to hide this kind of stuff you might as well make it explode if you dig it up. That is, if you don't know how to disarm it.

Although I appreciate the idea of protecting your cache, you will face serious consequences if someone like me comes along and discovers it. I found a cache, kind of like this, on public land. How would you feel if it blew up some dumb kid? Otherwise, one additional item I would suggest is disassembly to prevent the springs from taking a set. Especially with things like magazines.

[gunrunner1911]

In all reality if you are burying guns in case the FEDS come for them then it's already "Game On" Time to hand the guns over bullets first. If your neighbors are weak enough to hand over their guns your stash will be the first thing they tell the FEDS about. It doesn't take 20/20 vision to see how they have made us into cannibals who eat our own fellow citizens. We pay huge amounts of taxes to over budgeted fat cats and yet they want me to report a smoking vehicle or tell them how my neighbor didn't claim $50 on his taxes. YEAH I see that happening. I thing everyone who calls any 1800tattletale line ought to be hunted down and killed.

[PETNRDX]

There are appx 900 ATF agents that work firearms. (The rest work Tobacco and Explosives, mostly regulating and TAXES).
But, even if ALL the ATF worked firearms, that is only 2500.
The FBI has about 12,000 agents, nearly all working "white collar" crime. (They are mostly well trained accounting/embezzling types and good lawyers)
Most of those folks are very well trained, experienced law enforcement people.
And most work pretty hard.
There are no fewer than 80 million gun owners. (about 260 million guns, which I think is a low estimate)
So, probably there are around 2000 people working guns (ATF & FBI together).
And if you figure that the typical employee works about 2000 hours a year, you could see that there really isn't enuf time for that few agents to even TALK about tracking down many "suspicious" guns.
Each agent would need to check out around 40,000 people per agent during a career of 25 years.
That would be around 1600 per year or 4 or 5 a day. (Assuming NO other crimes came up for investigation)
There just isn't any chance of that happening.
Don't cause trouble, don't attract undue attention, and they might get around to each of us in five or six hundred years.
I bet cancer gets me first.
And I bet something else gets all of you first also.
Worry about what idiot gets elected to what office and screws things up for us instead.

[PhantomRage]

Although I appreciate the idea of protecting your cache, you will face serious consequences if someone like me comes along and discovers it. I found a cache, kind of like this, on public land. How would you feel if it blew up some dumb kid? Otherwise, one additional item I would suggest is disassembly to prevent the springs from taking a set. Especially with things like magazines.

um... I was being a smart ass... Sorry it does not seem that way via text.

[majorpunk80]

Very well put PETNRDX

[Fyresq]

There are appx 900 ATF agents that work firearms. (The rest work Tobacco and Explosives, mostly regulating and TAXES).
But, even if ALL the ATF worked firearms, that is only 2500.
The FBI has about 12,000 agents, nearly all working "white collar" crime. (They are mostly well trained accounting/embezzling types and good lawyers)
Most of those folks are very well trained, experienced law enforcement people.
And most work pretty hard.
There are no fewer than 80 million gun owners. (about 260 million guns, which I think is a low estimate)
So, probably there are around 2000 people working guns (ATF & FBI together).
And if you figure that the typical employee works about 2000 hours a year, you could see that there really isn't enuf time for that few agents to even TALK about tracking down many "suspicious" guns.
Each agent would need to check out around 40,000 people per agent during a career of 25 years.
That would be around 1600 per year or 4 or 5 a day. (Assuming NO other crimes came up for investigation)
There just isn't any chance of that happening.
Don't cause trouble, don't attract undue attention, and they might get around to each of us in five or six hundred years.
I bet cancer gets me first.
And I bet something else gets all of you first also.
Worry about what idiot gets elected to what office and screws things up for us instead.

This point was well made and had good merit, but the biggest threat to Americans owning guns is not the US government. They wouldn't be retarded enough (I hope) to cause civil war by sending citizens to disarm citizens. Rather, the threat lies in the proposal of the UN ban on small arms for all nations of the UN. What that means is that UN soldiers would be coming to take away your guns. A military force, not your local police officers. And it would be the easiest cop out for our leaders......it's for the good of the world and isn't just about the US. Food for thought.

[Nevadastars]

This point was well made and had good merit, but the biggest threat to Americans owning guns is not the US government. They wouldn't be retarded enough (I hope) to cause civil war by sending citizens to disarm citizens. Rather, the threat lies in the proposal of the UN ban on small arms for all nations of the UN. What that means is that UN soldiers would be coming to take away your guns. A military force, not your local police officers. And it would be the easiest cop out for our leaders......it's for the good of the world and isn't just about the US. Food for thought.

Right, let's just throw the 2nd Amendment right out the window. What gives the UN authority over our own Constitution? Nothing!

[Fyresq]

Right, let's just throw the 2nd Amendment right out the window. What gives the UN authority over our own Constitution? Nothing!

Because the Obama administration shows a history of putting the "world" first and the US second. I once thought that a government couldn't control private banking or private corporations either until last year. The 2nd Ammendment means squat if we sign a small arms ban "treaty" with the UN because it would supercede any individual countries liberties. You should probably look at history a little better before you start thinking the 2nd ammendment will protect your gun ownership. Take the UK for example. They actually have the right to defend themselves and keep arms in their "rights" too. If you read any of the original Sherlock Holmes books, you'll know that Watson, a civilian, carries a sidearm to defend himself. It wasn't until the 20's when the UK began to socialize that they began losing their gun rights. While UK citizens had the right to protect themselves, it didn't define how. They are now basically down to being able to own a double barrel or less shotgun for hunting purposes only. Our protection of "to keep and bear arms" doesn't protect what KIND of arms we are allowed to carry either and you'll continue to see a regulation on the types of arms we are allowed to own. When the consitution was made "arms" meant flintlock rifles. A perfect example of the continued regulation of types of arms is California gun laws. Anyway, getting a little off topic.....

I think we are making great strides in protecting gun rights here in the US especially with D.C. vs. Heller and the upcoming McDonald vs. Chicago; however, I was making a point that we are in jeopardy of completely losing our rights because of foreign influence over US influence.

[BIG BLUE]

Interesting article. But my whole point in having a gun is to use it when I need it. Kinda hard to know if something is gonna happen that would allow me to drive out somewhere dig up my gun, reassemble it and then use it. As far as the whole UN ban goes someone please explain to me how it would work. They talk about the UK and how it happened there. Now lets figure out how that would work in America. UK encompasses approx 94,526 sq mi and has a estimated current population of 61 million. United States encompasses approx 3,794,101 sq mi and has a current population of 308 million. Un has approx 70,000 troops under its control? So would they really stand a chance coming into our country to remove our weapons? Do you really think that our government is gonna let a foreign army come into our country and police its citizens? If they don’t does that mean our own government is gonna us our own troops against its own citizens? Come on someone really needs to think this thru. Car accidents account for approximately 42,000 deaths a year(alcohol related accidents are not included here) , smoking related deaths approximately 400,000, alcohol abuse kills some 75,000, obesity 144,000 and guns approximately 30,000. Of the approx 2,448,000 deaths 30,000 caused by guns…or approx .01% of all deaths are by guns and with almost 57% of those being suicide.
All those other things are legal and in no way on the UN list….

If our current government (not necessarily Obama os he is just one piece of the puzzle) allows a foreign entity to trample what our fore fathers established and nullify our own constitution which is what has separated us and made us so great for all these years then I feel it will be a short while before a full fledged revolution is on hand. We fought before to free ourselves and establish a true and proper government and it may be time to do that again.

[4x4nvcowboy]

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I think many people here would enjoy reading this magazine. From guns and hunting to raising livestock and canning food..
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[seal13il]

I will recommend taking a look at "Oath Keepers", this is a link to the local chapter: http://oathkeepers.ning.com/group/nnv

[Nevadastars]

If our current government (not necessarily Obama os he is just one piece of the puzzle) allows a foreign entity to trample what our fore fathers established and nullify our own constitution which is what has separated us and made us so great for all these years then I feel it will be a short while before a full fledged revolution is on hand. We fought before to free ourselves and establish a true and proper government and it may be time to do that again.

We just need to vote these liberal/progressives out of office and make sure they STAY OUT!

[NVFirefighter]

The Gun Nazis win if you bury your firearms!! A buried firearm is a firearm off the street in their eyes! They don't care how they achieve the end goal, just that it gets that firearm to be put out of use, any way possible.

Don't bury your guns.......