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    Had my first outing (so technically not a noob anymore...just very, very green) :)

    Arranged an outing with ORE with a group of 2 others. We were all noobs in stock trucks. It was...interesting. They took us out to Nixon and through Prozac canyon (is that really the name?) and around for the day.

    They hadn't recon'd the canyon...so the intro/level 1 turned into a few bits of "hairy" (their word for it) rock crawling and road building in a few spots so three stock pickups could make it (we had a 2015 Tacoma, a 2015 Colorado, and an older Frontier - too bad the frontier wasn't new as well for a side-by-side comparison - ).

    My Colorado did get its first beauty marks (the steps off the passenger side rails took a few hard hits as I mistimed throttle/brake transition in one place). It has reconfirmed that I'm really not into rock-crawling that much...however I knew that which is why I bought a Colorado - it's not exactly designed for any serious crawling.

    Waiting for some photos from them with our vehicles with wheels hanging in the air, straddling washouts, and the like. Will post them when I have them.
    A lack of planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

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    For your "first outing", you should go with some experienced wheelers. Yes, Prozac canyon is the name of that place. You were very close to School Bus Canyon which is a favorite destination of ours. We'll probably head up there again in a few weeks and you are welcome to tag along. Follow the threads on here for future runs.
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    Agreed - that was the idea of going with ORE (offroadexperience.com) - they offer offroad training classes of various levels and types. This was supposed to be the level 1...it had a few interesting sections though.

    I do try to monitor the site and there have been a few times when you all were doing something "noob/stock friendly" however life got in the way so I wasn't able to coordinate. Will continue to watch for them though! Thanx!
    A lack of planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

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    The best experience you can have is just to get in your rig, no matter what rig it is, and drive it. Drive it everywhere. Drive it a lot. Get comfortable in it. Know it's wheelbase, track width, how it acts on different terrain. Watch a bunch of off road videos on YouTube to see how people get through different obstacles. DON'T be scared to go out by yourself. Having to wheel with other people all the time is bullshit. As long as you use common sense you're fine. You can always turn around and go back if you find yourself out alone and uncomfortable. I almost always end up going out alone because nobody wants to wheel where and when I do. And I don't like waiting for people to show up when I want to just hit the trail. Having the amount of seat time I have in my sidekick has literally saved my life on one occasion while up in Idaho on some gnarly switchbacks after it had rained. I came within a couple of inches of a drop and a bad tumble had I not known how my car tracked and handled. Experience is key.
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    Going out alone is just plain stupid (as evidenced by the previous poster). You can't always turn around on a trail and you may not know enough to "get nervous" in time. Having somebody with you at least somebody can help if needed. But yes, watch some You-tube videos and learn from the mistakes of others.
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    I wheel alone all the time. It's good for you. Much easier to enjoy the journey when you're not eating dust and worried about the groups time frame.

    OP, I'm actually pretty impressed you got a stock pickup through there. Good job! Don't do SBC till the washes mellow out a bit.

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    Doesn't ORE charge for the classes? How much for a class? Come out and do stock friendly runs with us. You can get good experience and ask all the questions you want no charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlmjr58 View Post
    Doesn't ORE charge for the classes? How much for a class? Come out and do stock friendly runs with us. You can get good experience and ask all the questions you want no charge.
    try min. $300...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bitosin View Post
    Going out alone is just plain stupid (as evidenced by the previous poster). You can't always turn around on a trail and you may not know enough to "get nervous" in time. Having somebody with you at least somebody can help if needed. But yes, watch some You-tube videos and learn from the mistakes of others.
    im sorry but I go out alone a bunch. If I don't know the trail and im uncomfortable I plan an escape turn around.

    I don't need to go out with someone everytime. just use common sense...

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    I've been across back roads and canyons and trails and everywhere across the whole state, predominately by myself. Go prepared, use sense, tell somewhere where you'll be and when to expect you back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tahoe1028 View Post
    im sorry but I go out alone a bunch. If I don't know the trail and im uncomfortable I plan an escape turn around.

    I don't need to go out with someone everytime. just use common sense...
    I'll agree, but a newbie won't know when trouble is lurking ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tahoe1028 View Post
    im sorry but I go out alone a bunch. If I don't know the trail and im uncomfortable I plan an escape turn around.

    I don't need to go out with someone everytime. just use common sense...
    I'll agree, but a newbie won't know when trouble is lurking ahead.
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    I hope they weren't charging for training on a run in an area they hadn't surveyed prior to holding the training. I would agree with other too about going out on runs with others on the forum. 300 buys a ton of gas.
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    Mmmmmmmm. From my dirtbike backround I love to roll solo. Just the excitement of defeating an obstacles or situation by yourself is so rewarding. Obviously you have to pick how deep you are willing to put yourself in jeopardy. I personally do not care to live forever. Prepare for the unexpected and have fun. If you want to learn youre rig in a non life threatening enviroment come out to the cold spring trenches when its wet.

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    Here we go, the old solo versus group herd argument. If one is so inclined to venture alone, so be it, other than burdening others for a rescue. But if driver is properly prepared, self suffucient, experienced and suitably confident, it is a great, rewarding experience. Planners live, stupid dies. Enjoy.
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    I go out solo, but only on familiar routes.

    Regardless, everyone at the minimum should have essentials in their rigs. Stuff that will get you through the night should something happen. Food, water, warm clothes, an even some basic tools as well.

    That and many here will stress the advantages of ham radio.

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    Yes, this is an old argument that has been thrown back and forth many times on here. Personally, I believe in the "buddy system" of not going alone. If something happens and the feces hits the rotating blades (shit hits the fan) then there is somebody there to help you out...get you unstuck, call for help, go for help, or take you to get help. By yourself, you are on your own. Essentials include having some kind of good communication available and somebody who will know if you don't come back on time. Others like to play "Lone Wolf" and challenge Man Against Nature. There are valid arguments on both sides.
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    Welcome Charles, run now!

    Bill, I think you have earned the nickname California Bill, super-nanny with an irrestible urge to have others conform to your comfort zone.

    Kind of like the no child left behind initiative which forces the gifted children to progress at the pace of the learning disabled.
    I'm in, Let's go!

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    Welcome Charles. I'm glad you liked your first taste of off-roading. Even when your friendly post took a wrong turn faster than someone wheeling alone, I hope that you will stick around.

    Going by yourself has its place, but I don't think that there is anything wrong with paying for some education either. Particularly when you are new to wheeling. Kind of like ski lessons or hiring a local climbing guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Scott View Post
    I wheel alone all the time. It's good for you. Much easier to enjoy the journey when you're not eating dust and worried about the groups time frame.

    OP, I'm actually pretty impressed you got a stock pickup through there. Good job! Don't do SBC till the washes mellow out a bit.
    Thanx. And given how low the Colorado's are (I removed the air dam and pulled the spare tire into the bed) I was really, really "nervous" through some of the washed out sections. The ORE folks were spotting in the front and calling out all of the actions to take. It made it very, very clear to me though how imprecise my feel for the truck is - exactly where the wheels are and so on. Thanx for the warning on SBC.
    A lack of planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Welcome Charles. I'm glad you liked your first taste of off-roading. Even when your friendly post took a wrong turn faster than someone wheeling alone, I hope that you will stick around.

    Going by yourself has its place, but I don't think that there is anything wrong with paying for some education either. Particularly when you are new to wheeling. Kind of like ski lessons or hiring a local climbing guide.
    I can see both as well - however I know I don't know a lot of things...so I'm quite happy to be part of the "herd" for some time. I'm finding it difficult to even find good references for dirt roads/trails and the whole BLM vs. reservation vs. private land and figuring out which is which is still something I'm researching. And thinking of this like ski lessons was how I viewed it. I try to follow the outings that get arranged here and many of them are just a bit advanced for me and/or I don't have the right upgrades on the truck. I will probably start going to more of them and even if all I do is the group drive out to the area and where it gets tough/my truck wouldn't likely make it I can just head back. That will probably help me learn the basic "trail roads" (not sure what to call them) that access the different canyons and what not.
    A lack of planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieD View Post
    I'm finding it difficult to even find good references for dirt roads/trails and the whole BLM vs. reservation vs. private land and figuring out which is which is still something I'm researching.
    The BEST thing about Nevada is you can go pretty much anywhere. Pick a road and go. Fun will follow. Just don't be stupid. Oh and if you find a closed gate, close it behind you.

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    I go out alone a majority of the time. You can do what you want when you want. Nothing better than being out alone in the quiet in a cool spot knowing there are no other humans for miles. Sometimes I even end up places I didn't tell people about and I don't have a HAM. Theres no waiting on people either. I like to go pretty fast and all the fun is sucked out of a trip having to deal with slow drivers. Be prepared and know your limits and you're fine. 90% of Nevada is accessible in a stock 4x4.

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