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    Why is that good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by litlmeck View Post
    Why is that good?

    It gives money to schools.
    EDIT: It also restricts where you can grow plants (25 miles from a store) and limits use pretty much to your private residence. He also didn't say it was good or bad. It was simply reported as being passed.
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    I think it is good due to the additional tax revenue and hopefully less burden on the justice system that spends so much tax payer money prosecuting and incarcerating pot users.


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    A recent trip to Oregon and direct first hand experience of how things are up there indicate this is not good at all. Maybe someday when it is regulated properly (and I am not pro regulation), but until then it is a flat bad idea. IMO of course...

    When it turns into a Ben's liquor sort of thing, it is probably fine. Unfortunately right now in Oregon it is a bunch of completely baked people selling to others that want to get stoned. You don't buy from a drunk person at Ben's...that would be frowned upon, just as I frown on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69cj5 View Post
    A recent trip to Oregon and direct first hand experience of how things are up there indicate this is not good at all. Maybe someday when it is regulated properly (and I am not pro regulation), but until then it is a flat bad idea. IMO of course...

    When it turns into a Ben's liquor sort of thing, it is probably fine. Unfortunately right now in Oregon it is a bunch of completely baked people selling to others that want to get stoned. You don't buy from a drunk person at Ben's...that would be frowned upon, just as I frown on this.
    How are you going to get to "Ben's Liquor sort of thing" if it's kept illegal? Heck outside our state you have hours and days where you can't even shop at a liquor store and those States say it's a good thing to keep limited hours of operation.

    What was most interesting to me is I was expecting the bill to limit the THC content allowable to the public a little bit. Similar to over the counter medications vs. doctor prescribed medications.
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    It's good for people like me who cant process alcohol since I had my gal bladder removed ( which doesnt happen to everyone who has their gal bladders taken out ). I cant chill and drink a beer on the weekends with my wife, but now I can smoke a bowl in my backyard and not hurt a damn person. As far as regulations and all, thats a whole other issue.

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    Good for the smokers, good for the police state, bad for no one. Now to invent a quick THC roadside test and make a fortune.

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    I dont care either way on this issue but it really sucks that we lost Question 1. Thanks Las Vegas. Make Nevada Great Again, build the wall.

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    My Brother lives near Denver. Legalizing MJ changed Denver pretty drastically, most people I know who live in Denver would agree they dont like the change. Because CO was one of the first states to legalize smokers flocked there to live, with so many states legalizing MJ now I dont think it will result in that much of a change for Reno. If you owned a home before they legalized MJ it doubled the value of your home.

    For whatever bad may come from legalizing MJ one major benefit is we'll stop ruining peoples lives over it. Two people I know of have MJ related charges and its pretty much ruined any chance of them ever having a good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxamillion2345 View Post
    Good for the smokers, good for the police state, bad for no one. Now to invent a quick THC roadside test and make a fortune.
    This has been the problem here in Washington, There is no reliable roadside test available. So it is all up to the officer that pulls you over and his "expert" opinion. There have been several examples where the officer was incorrect about his assessment and arrested someone who was not under the influence. It costs a lot of money to prove yourself innocent and get your vehicle out of impound etc.

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    Well, it means I'll have access to products that will help reduce the side effects of my cancer treatments without feeling like a criminal or signing up for a medical card and being added to a database as a user.

    I don't think it will drive tourism like the early states that passed bills.

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    Dont forget the reeses cups will have to be locked up in the cigarette cabinet now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    I think it is good due to the additional tax revenue and hopefully less burden on the justice system that spends so much tax payer money prosecuting and incarcerating pot users.


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    That was my reasons for voting yes on this bill too. Plus I don't feel the gov has the right to tell you what you can or can't do with your body.
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    I don't feel the gov has the right to tell me how to live my life smoke on my friends. I don't even smoke. Shit if I wanted to snort oxy till it killed me who is it to say how I choose to die. Being able to choose you're own destiny is what made America great. Good or bad. What I or you do is nobody's business i.f it ain't hurting anyone. I like rights as I'm sure you do. As of late it has been common for ones mans rights to be taken away for another person to receive them. I just got called a racist by my ex gf who is gay now because I don't like Obama. Wtf. Guess I don't fit in....... Who wants to go wheelin:-)

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    Some of the regulation is becuase they become a tax burden for the free health care when they are sick/dying without insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARKUNIT10 View Post
    Some of the regulation is becuase they become a tax burden for the free health care when they are sick/dying without insurance.
    Assuming you are talking about marijuana and wondering how that is any different from alcohol or tobacco users? If anything, studies to-date have shown that it has less adverse health risks associated with it but we lack the level of long term studies that alcohol and tobacco have been subjected to.

    Medical marijuana has the potential to reduce healthcare costs, which is why big Pharm is against it. I prefer to not take Zofran and opioids when a small dose of cannifudge addresses my nausea and pain. Just like everything, moderation and appropriate usage is key. I'm not using and heading off to work or hopping in my truck and putting others at risk, just like I wouldn't take a hydrocodone and do the same. The unfortunate part of it is medical marijuana card holders give up the 2A rights while someone with a prescription for opioids does not.

    The potential increased tax burden comes from irresponsible users that leave edibles in reach of children and not in child proof packaging or choose to get high and do stupid shit that endangers themselves and others, not from end of life health care costs. Hospice care is far less expensive than life saving treatments...my insurance has paid out nearly $1MM in the past 5 years to keep me alive while the hospice bill would have likely been under $100k if I didn't choose to fight.

    Now if you're talking meth/heroin etc, I agree that those users have a greater impact on our economy....from increased tax burden to losses associated with theft by the users looking to get their next fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenoTaco View Post
    Assuming you are talking about marijuana and wondering how that is any different from alcohol or tobacco users? If anything, studies to-date have shown that it has less adverse health risks associated with it but we lack the level of long term studies that alcohol and tobacco have been subjected to.

    Medical marijuana has the potential to reduce healthcare costs, which is why big Pharm is against it. I prefer to not take Zofran and opioids when a small dose of cannifudge addresses my nausea and pain. Just like everything, moderation and appropriate usage is key. I'm not using and heading off to work or hopping in my truck and putting others at risk, just like I wouldn't take a hydrocodone and do the same. The unfortunate part of it is medical marijuana card holders give up the 2A rights while someone with a prescription for opioids does not.

    The potential increased tax burden comes from irresponsible users that leave edibles in reach of children and not in child proof packaging or choose to get high and do stupid shit that endangers themselves and others, not from end of life health care costs. Hospice care is far less expensive than life saving treatments...my insurance has paid out nearly $1MM in the past 5 years to keep me alive while the hospice bill would have likely been under $100k if I didn't choose to fight.

    Now if you're talking meth/heroin etc, I agree that those users have a greater impact on our economy....from increased tax burden to losses associated with theft by the users looking to get their next fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    I think it is good due to the additional tax revenue and hopefully less burden on the justice system that spends so much tax payer money prosecuting and incarcerating pot users.


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    From what i heard, the only tax imposed on this will be the regular sales tax (now 8.265%) I think they said if you purchase comerically there would be a 15% or so tax applied.

    **EDIT - i just read the ballot question, it says, The measure imposed a 15 percent excise tax on marijuana sales by cultivation facilities.

    Question 2 was designed to allocate revenue from the tax, licensing fees, and penalties first to the Department of Taxation and local governments to cover costs related to the measure, and then all remaining revenue to the State Distributive School Account.

    And it looks like the schools will be the last to see any sort of funding from this.
    Last edited by bamftruck; November 10th, 2016 at 05:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamftruck View Post
    From what i heard, the only tax imposed on this will be the regular sales tax (now 8.265%) I think they said if you purchase comerically there would be a 15% or so tax applied.

    **EDIT - i just read the ballot question, it says, The measure imposed a 15 percent excise tax on marijuana sales by cultivation facilities.

    Question 2 was designed to allocate revenue from the tax, licensing fees, and penalties first to the Department of Taxation and local governments to cover costs related to the measure, and then all remaining revenue to the State Distributive School Account.

    And it looks like the schools will be the last to see any sort of funding from this.
    Yep, goes to General fund at local agencies and they spend it on more Police and Fire. If they have something left they will send it to the schools...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGimp View Post
    My Brother lives near Denver. Legalizing MJ changed Denver pretty drastically, most people I know who live in Denver would agree they dont like the change. Because CO was one of the first states to legalize smokers flocked there to live, with so many states legalizing MJ now I dont think it will result in that much of a change for Reno. If you owned a home before they legalized MJ it doubled the value of your home.

    For whatever bad may come from legalizing MJ one major benefit is we'll stop ruining peoples lives over it. Two people I know of have MJ related charges and its pretty much ruined any chance of them ever having a good job.
    Weird. I talked to a lady in Durango and she said its brought a lot of tourism dollars, the tourist companies enjoy the extra cash and its driven DOWN the price so far it's almost impossible for any illegal activity to compete. $99 an ounce down from $400 and the extra revenue in town is appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCBogger View Post
    Dont forget the reeses cups will have to be locked up in the cigarette cabinet now.
    Ummm why? Do you think they'll be selling the edibles in the grocery stores or something?
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    As others have said, tax payers and working people foot the bill for all your bad decisions that lead to hospitalization. Whether indirectly though insurance premiums or directly through tax money and government insurance.

    Riding a motorcycle without a helmet, not wearing a seat belt, shooting up meth or heroin, all come out of tax payer dollars when simple safety measures would have saved hundreds of thousands.

    The benefit to society and individuals for not having to clean up brains off the sidewalk because a helmet was inconvenient is why we need laws. It is important to see the whole picture and understand that even though your not hurting somebody directly you may not be fulfilling your obligations as a contributing member of society.

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