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    Women stoned to death in Syria for adultery

    BEIRUT (AP) — A cleric read the verdict before the truck came and dumped a large pile of stones near the municipal garden. Jihadi fighters then brought in the woman, clad head to toe in black, and put her in a small hole in the ground. When residents gathered, the fighters told them to carry out the sentence: Stoning to death for the alleged adulteress.



    None in the crowd stepped forward, said a witness to the event in a northern Syrian city. So the jihadi fighters, mostly foreign extremists, did it themselves, pelting Faddah Ahmad with stones until her body was dragged away.
    "Even when she was hit with stones she did not scream or move," said an opposition activist who said he witnessed the stoning near the football stadium and the Bajaa garden in the city of Raqqa, the main Syrian stronghold of the Islamic State group.
    The July 18 stoning was the second in a span of 24 hours. A day earlier, 26-year-old Shamseh Abdullah was killed in a similar way in the nearby town of Tabqa by Islamic State fighters. Both were accused of having sex outside marriage.
    The killings were the first of their kind in rebel-held northern Syria, where jihadis from the Islamic State group have seized large swaths of territory, terrorizing residents with their strict interpretation of Islamic law, including beheadings and cutting off the hands of thieves. The jihadis recently tied a 14-year-old boy to a cross-like structure and left him for several hours in the scorching summer sun before bringing him down -- punishment for not fasting during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
    The group has also brutalized Shiite Muslims and others whom it views as apostates. In neighboring Iraq, Islamic State militants have driven members of the Yazidi religious minority out of a string of towns and villages. Thousands of the fleeing Yazidis have been stranded on a mountaintop for days, a humanitarian crisis that prompted the U.S. to airlift aid to them this week.
    On Friday, Kamil Amin, the spokesman for Iraq's Human Rights Ministry, said hundreds of Yazidi women under the age of 35 are being held by the Islamic State group in schools in Iraq's second largest city Mosul, which the militants captured in June.
    The stonings in Syria last month were not widely publicized at the time, but in the following days three photographs appeared online which appeared to document the grisly spectacle and were consistent with other AP reporting.
    The pictures posted on a newly-created Twitter account showed dozens of people gathered in a square, a cleric reading a verdict through a loudspeaker and several bearded men with automatic rifles either carrying or collecting stones.
    "A married woman being stoned in the presence of some believers," read the caption of the photographs on the Twitter account, which has since been suspended.

    Abu Ibrahim Raqqawi, the activist who witnessed Ahmad's stoning, said locals where angry to see foreign fighters impose their will on the community.
    "People were shocked and couldn't understand what was going on. Many were disturbed by the idea that Saudis and Tunisians were issuing (such) orders," he said in an interview via Skype. Ahmad, he said, appeared unconscious, and he had overheard that she was earlier taken to a hospital where she was given anesthesia.
    The stoning took place after dark, he said, at about 11 p.m. He could not see blood on the body because of the black clothes she was wearing. Ahmad did not scream or shake, and died silently. "They then took the dead body in one of their cars and left," he said.
    The two cases were first reported by the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which collects information through a network of activists around the country. Bassam Al-Ahmad, a spokesman for the Violations Documentation Center, a Syrian group that tracks human rights violations, also confirmed the stoning.
    An activist based in the northern province of Idlib, who collects information from other activists in northern Syria, said Ahmad was a widow. A man who asked to be identified as Asad for fear of repercussions, said that in the other stoning, in Tabqa, residents also refused to take part, and that the act was carried out by Islamic State members.
    The U.S. Embassy in Syria, in a statement posted on its Twitter account, condemned the "barbaric stoning" of a woman in Tabqa.
    International human rights groups did not report the stoning, and Human Rights Watch said it had no independent confirmation.
    "It is a very worrying trend if true," said Human Rights Watch researcher Lama Fakih.
    The Islamic State group has "imposed incredibly restrictive rules on the civilian population which have served to make women and girls particularly vulnerable and to quite clearly discriminate against them," she said, adding that the reports of the stoning were the first the group had received out of Syria.
    "This is just a more sort of extreme manifestation of those restrictive rules which are all in violation of international" human rights law, she said.
    Such acts have alarmed members of mainstream Syrian opposition groups fighting to remove President Bashar Assad from power since 2011.
    "These behaviors have nothing to do with the nature and mentality of Syrian society," said Abdelbaset Sieda, a senior member of the main Western-backed Syrian National Coalition. He said the group had no official confirmation of the stoning cases although he did not rule it out. "We expect such acts to be carried out by the Islamic State," he said.
    The Hazm Movement, another rebel group active in northern Syria, said the stonings did take place. It added that such acts "contradict the principals of the revolution" and encourage the world to refrain from giving any support to the rebels.
    "The world should know that every day they delay real support to active moderate groups is direct support to extremist factions," the group said in response to written questions from The Associated Press.
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    Organized religion is a joke.

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    John 8:1-11 NLT

    Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd. “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?” They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust. When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?” “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.” ----------
    Major difference between Muslim religion and the Christian faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xkmacx86 View Post
    John 8:1-11 NLT

    Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd. “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?” They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust. When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?” “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.” ----------
    Major difference between Muslim religion and the Christian faith.
    Can someone give me the Cliffs Notes to this? Bible passages make me cringe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlecock View Post
    Can someone give me the Cliffs Notes to this? Bible passages make me cringe
    Got this one

    Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives,
    Jesus came down off of a hill.
    but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple.
    He then went to church
    A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them.
    Like a teacher and students, Jesus began to lecture.
    As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery.
    The villagers brought forth a ho.
    They put her in front of the crowd. “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
    "Jesus" They said "We found a Ho! Shall we kill her with rocks?"
    They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him,
    The villagers did what my wife often does and ask me questions where I end up screwed and sleeping on the couch regardless how I answer.
    but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger.
    Jesus sat there and drew pictures in the dirt.
    They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”
    Jesus said “You Villagers, are all bad yourselves. Who are you to call this Ho, a Ho?”
    Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
    Then sat back down and returned to his dirt pictures.
    When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman.
    The Villagers all left, one at a time.
    Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
    Jesus pointed out all the people who wanted her dead via thrown rocks had left.
    “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.” ----------
    The Ho acknowledged and Jesus said “Be good from now on.”

    All together:

    Jesus came down off of a hill. He then went to church. Like a teacher and students, Jesus began to lecture. The villagers brought forth a Ho. "Jesus" They said "We found a Ho! Shall we kill her with rocks?". The villagers did what my wife often does and ask me questions where I end up screwed and sleeping on the couch regardless how I answer. Jesus just sat there and drew pictures in the dirt. Jesus then said “You Villagers, are all bad yourselves. Who are you to be calling this Ho, a Ho?”. Then sat back down and returned to his dirt pictures. The Villagers all left, one at a time. Jesus pointed out all the people who wanted her dead via thrown rocks had left. The Ho acknowledged and Jesus said “Be good from now on.”

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    Was the ho hot ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenLittle View Post
    "We found a Ho! Shall we kill her with rocks?". ;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durtywrench View Post
    Was the ho hot ?
    Hot enough that Jesus married her. Yeah, I know, that's heresy, but I don't follow religion, I follow the truth.
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    Jesus and the woman went up the hill, each with a buck and a quarter. The woman came down with $2.50. Or did I mix that up with another bible story?

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    ^^^ remember that's the religion of peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenLittle View Post
    Got this one

    Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives,
    Jesus came down off of a hill.
    but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple.
    He then went to church
    A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them.
    Like a teacher and students, Jesus began to lecture.
    As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery.
    The villagers brought forth a ho.
    They put her in front of the crowd. “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
    "Jesus" They said "We found a Ho! Shall we kill her with rocks?"
    They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him,
    The villagers did what my wife often does and ask me questions where I end up screwed and sleeping on the couch regardless how I answer.
    but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger.
    Jesus sat there and drew pictures in the dirt.
    They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”
    Jesus said “You Villagers, are all bad yourselves. Who are you to call this Ho, a Ho?”
    Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
    Then sat back down and returned to his dirt pictures.
    When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman.
    The Villagers all left, one at a time.
    Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
    Jesus pointed out all the people who wanted her dead via thrown rocks had left.
    “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.” ----------
    The Ho acknowledged and Jesus said “Be good from now on.”

    All together:

    Jesus came down off of a hill. He then went to church. Like a teacher and students, Jesus began to lecture. The villagers brought forth a Ho. "Jesus" They said "We found a Ho! Shall we kill her with rocks?". The villagers did what my wife often does and ask me questions where I end up screwed and sleeping on the couch regardless how I answer. Jesus just sat there and drew pictures in the dirt. Jesus then said “You Villagers, are all bad yourselves. Who are you to be calling this Ho, a Ho?”. Then sat back down and returned to his dirt pictures. The Villagers all left, one at a time. Jesus pointed out all the people who wanted her dead via thrown rocks had left. The Ho acknowledged and Jesus said “Be good from now on.”
    Cliff notes are supposed to be shorter and easier to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeep_mcnasty View Post
    Cliff notes are supposed to be shorter and easier to understand.
    Jesus came down off of a hill. He then went to church. Like a teacher and students, Jesus began to lecture. The villagers brought forth a Ho. "Jesus" They said "We found a Ho! Shall we kill her with rocks?". The villagers did what my wife often does and ask me questions where I end up screwed and sleeping on the couch regardless how I answer. Jesus just sat there and drew pictures in the dirt. Jesus then said “You Villagers, are all bad yourselves. Who are you to be calling this Ho, a Ho?”. Then sat back down and returned to his dirt pictures. The Villagers all left, one at a time. Jesus pointed out all the people who wanted her dead via thrown rocks had left. The Ho acknowledged and Jesus said “Be good from now on.”

    Guys said to Jesus "She's a Ho!"
    Jesus said "No she aint!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tahoe1028 View Post
    ^^^ remember that's the religion of peace
    Is there a peaceful religion?
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    Atrocities committed in the name of religion provides, for those who don't want to be burdened with morality, a basis for rationalizing a godless lifestyle. If you're right in your atheism, either way works. If you're wrong, you'll have an eternity to regret your decision. Investigate for yourself. It's only logical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu View Post
    Atrocities committed in the name of religion provides, for those who don't want to be burdened with morality, a basis for rationalizing a godless lifestyle. If you're right in your atheism, either way works. If you're wrong, you'll have an eternity to regret your decision. Investigate for yourself. It's only logical.
    So a person can only be moral if they adhere to a religion? With number of people that claim to be atheist or agnostic, sure seems like the world should have a much higher crime rate.
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    He meant quite the opposite
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    Quote Originally Posted by xkmacx86 View Post
    He meant quite the opposite
    Please explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andysan View Post
    So a person can only be moral if they adhere to a religion? With number of people that claim to be atheist or agnostic, sure seems like the world should have a much higher crime rate.
    That's not what I said.

    Most people would agree with a "do unto others as you would have others do unto you." kind of morality:
    Don't steal.
    Be honest.
    Treat others with respect.

    Believing in and obeying the God of the Bible would also mean:
    Sex outside of marriage is wrong.
    Getting drunk is wrong.
    Pornography is wrong.
    Skipping Church is wrong.

    These are some of the morals that I speak of. I can cite Bible verses for all of the above but doubt that I need to. Most non-Christians would object to being subject to this kind of moral code. In order to feel right about ignoring it, one must believe the Bible to be fallacy. Rationalizing atheistic beliefs by pointing out atrocities committed in the name of religion was my point.

    I don't get what you mean by the crime rate comment. Sorry.
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    Sorry to start a stone throwing battle with the tread.
    Just commenting on how crazy some people are by killing others with rocks for having sex. Many religions preach similar things I think. Leviticus 20:10. It is not what the books say, It is what parts you choose to follow.

    I prefer to be a bit a la carte with the bible. As does EVERYONE in the world who is a Christ follower.

    Don't kill - check!
    Don't steal - check!
    Be a good person - check!
    Raise your kids the best you can - check!

    Follow those and we are good.

    Atheist who celebrate X-mas and Easter bug me as much as Theists who use religion selectively to justify their actions.

    There is a place for religion for some people to help them accept life and death and keep them living a moral life. When people start imposing rules selectively based on a bible type book I steam a little bit.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu View Post
    That's not what I said.

    Most people would agree with a "do unto others as you would have others do unto you." kind of morality:
    Don't steal.
    Be honest.
    Treat others with respect.

    Believing in and obeying the God of the Bible would also mean:
    Sex outside of marriage is wrong.
    Getting drunk is wrong.
    Pornography is wrong.
    Skipping Church is wrong.

    These are some of the morals that I speak of. I can cite Bible verses for all of the above but doubt that I need to. Most non-Christians would object to being subject to this kind of moral code. In order to feel right about ignoring it, one must believe the Bible to be fallacy. Rationalizing atheistic beliefs by pointing out atrocities committed in the name of religion was my point.

    I don't get what you mean by the crime rate comment. Sorry.
    That is what you said though. "for those who don't want to be burdened with morality, a basis for rationalizing a godless lifestyle." meaning if i live a godless lifestyle, I don't want to be burdened by morality, correct? Many people that claim to believe in and obey "the god of the bible" are guilty of breaking each of these morals you list as frequently as those who chose not to believe. My point is that claiming a belief in a god does not make you are a good person. Just like not believing does not make you a bad person. I'm not looking to argue or come off as someone attacking another person for their faith, it just seems like most people of the pro god outlook seem to be very outspoken and often narrow minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeep_mcnasty View Post
    Cliff notes are supposed to be shorter and easier to understand.
    Some dude told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude who told some dude...And 400 years later it was finally written down in completely accurate unchanged format. A couple of hundred years later some dudes decided which of these stories they liked the most and combined them into a book they called the bible.

    This is one of those hand selected completely unchanged stories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu View Post
    Atrocities committed in the name of religion provides, for those who don't want to be burdened with morality, a basis for rationalizing a godless lifestyle. If you're right in your atheism, either way works. If you're wrong, you'll have an eternity to regret your decision. Investigate for yourself. It's only logical.
    Agreed. Just keep in mind Christians are probably wrong. There is something like 4200 religions in the world. Their odds could be 1/4200 for.
    Not personal belief, just statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andysan View Post
    That is what you said though. "for those who don't want to be burdened with morality, a basis for rationalizing a godless lifestyle." meaning if i live a godless lifestyle, I don't want to be burdened by morality, correct? Many people that claim to believe in and obey "the god of the bible" are guilty of breaking each of these morals you list as frequently as those who chose not to believe. My point is that claiming a belief in a god does not make you are a good person. Just like not believing does not make you a bad person. I'm not looking to argue or come off as someone attacking another person for their faith, it just seems like most people of the pro god outlook seem to be very outspoken and often narrow minded.
    You are attributing a lot to me that I never said.

    Your statement: "So a person can only be moral if they adhere to a religion?" doesn't reflect anything I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu View Post
    You are attributing a lot to me that I never said.

    Your statement: "So a person can only be moral if they adhere to a religion?" doesn't reflect anything I said.

    If you say so. I'll be here moraly looking at porn, getting drunk if anyone needs me.
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