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    BLM controlled lands should be turned over to Nevadans, not tribal control which amounts to them becoming a different country for practical purposes.
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    Harry, your point was well said and more of my feeling also, poorly articulated on my part.

    Have to say, I was for state control also until my wife and I were talking about this after our moab trip, where the state parks all have user fees and no wheeling is allowed with in the state parks. Seems that would be the same here if the state took over from feds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertninja775 View Post
    Harry, your point was well said and more of my feeling also, poorly articulated on my part.

    Have to say, I was for state control also until my wife and I were talking about this after our moab trip, where the state parks all have user fees and no wheeling is allowed with in the state parks. Seems that would be the same here if the state took over from feds.
    States simply do not have the resources to manage all that land like the Fed does. Therefore tons of land will be sold off or become fee areas. Thus why I do not support transfering BLM land to state control. People say "give the land to Nevadans" It would actually be giving the land to the state and there is a big difference. The people of Nevada won't be managing the land, the state will. That's a scary thought for anyone who enjoys free open public land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    States simply do not have the resources to manage all that land like the Fed does. Therefore tons of land will be sold off or become fee areas. Thus why I do not support transfering BLM land to state control. People say "give the land to Nevadans" It would actually be giving the land to the state and there is a big difference. The people of Nevada won't be managing the land, the state will. That's a scary thought for anyone who enjoys free open public land.
    I'd like for someone to explain to me why land(and the flora and fauna that exists on it) that has existed for millions of years without human involvement somehow suddenly needs "management"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    States simply do not have the resources to manage all that land like the Fed does. Therefore tons of land will be sold off or become fee areas. Thus why I do not support transfering BLM land to state control. People say "give the land to Nevadans" It would actually be giving the land to the state and there is a big difference. The people of Nevada won't be managing the land, the state will. That's a scary thought for anyone who enjoys free open public land.
    We have more power over our state officials than we do Feds. The new OHV fee scheme is partly designed to demonstrate we can take charge and maintain the land.

    Plus, with the land under Fed control, there are Senators and Reps from 49 other states who get to vote on this current bill to give the land back to the tribes. Should be none of their business, should be a Nevada decision from start to finish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmatical Fuquad View Post
    I'd like for someone to explain to me why land(and the flora and fauna that exists on it) that has existed for millions of years without human involvement somehow suddenly needs "management"?
    I think that's pretty self explanatory. Before humans there was no agriculture, livestock or resource extraction. There were no towns or civilization. Wildland fires did not put anyone in harms way, and we're much less likely to be ignited in the first place. There was no money to be made off of the land. There was no law or human involvement of any kind with the land. That changed very quickly in the 19th century when exploration opened up the west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfrey123 View Post
    We have more power over our state officials than we do Feds. The new OHV fee scheme is partly designed to demonstrate we can take charge and maintain the land.

    Plus, with the land under Fed control, there are Senators and Reps from 49 other states who get to vote on this current bill to give the land back to the tribes. Should be none of their business, should be a Nevada decision from start to finish.
    True but they just don't have the resources or capital to manage all that land. To pay for management, they will sell off land and then most likely misuse the funds for things besides land management, then sell more land to get more capital and so on. Also, the tool that wrote the land transfer to the natives is a Republican from here so you just never know. Alot of BS goes on with the BLM but I believe they are still the best option considering the aforementioned issues with the state controlling the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmatical Fuquad View Post
    I'd like for someone to explain to me why land(and the flora and fauna that exists on it) that has existed for millions of years without human involvement somehow suddenly needs "management"?
    Because the enviro-Nazis want nothing to change, ever. These enviro-Nazis have enormous political clout and, as college professors, are brainwashing our future leaders. It is ironic that evolution is change and is the only reason we are here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfrey123 View Post
    BLM controlled lands should be turned over to Nevadans, not tribal control which amounts to them becoming a different country for practical purposes.
    That sounds great, but if you think that the state is going to just keep letting us use all of this land for free you have been spending too much time at Jones West Ford. The federal government has given the state land in the past, and the first thing Nevada does is turn around and sell it. The BLM sells land too (http://www.reviewjournal.com/busines...m-auction-boom). Guess what, it isn't getting bought up by off-road philanthropists.

    Look, I don't love the BLM or the federal government, I side with Cliven Bundy, but if he owned his land outright do you think he would be letting us wheel on it? If Barrick buys a bunch of land, do you think that they are going to keep it open to recreation? All of a sudden distance BLM control, or even a use fee, doesn't sound so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyMike View Post
    Because the enviro-Nazis want nothing to change, ever. These enviro-Nazis have enormous political clout and, as college professors, are brainwashing our future leaders. It is ironic that evolution is change and is the only reason we are here.
    Weird. It's like the same mentality people have towards emission controls on vehicles. People don't want any new emission controls yet the change in emissions from one vehicle to the next is different and with more vehicles on the road comes more emissions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    True but they just don't have the resources or capital to manage all that land. To pay for management, they will sell off land and then most likely misuse the funds for things besides land management, then sell more land to get more capital and so on. Also, the tool that wrote the land transfer to the natives is a Republican from here so you just never know. Alot of BS goes on with the BLM but I believe they are still the best option considering the aforementioned issues with the state controlling the land.

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    That's just not true and there have been multiple studies put forth by several different states and organizations to prove that point. Including several by Eureka county and one by the state of Nevada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfrey123 View Post
    BLM controlled lands should be turned over to Nevadans, not tribal control which amounts to them becoming a different country for practical purposes.
    Unfortunately the state agency that is proposed to control that land in the event of a turnover has zero oversight and would sell that land off as they see fit, so we would lose access anyway. We need a better plan that prohibits this and also address the loss of PILT funds that rural towns depend on to operate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IHKrawler View Post
    Unfortunately the state agency that is proposed to control that land in the event of a turnover has zero oversight and would sell that land off as they see fit, so we would lose access anyway. We need a better plan that prohibits this and also address the loss of PILT funds that rural towns depend on to operate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unreng View Post
    Reply from NV-BLM:

    We are not able to share these maps externally at this stage in the process. We recommend that you reach out to the offices of the Sponsors of the legislation for these maps. They would be able to share them, and it's not an unusual request for them to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IHKrawler View Post
    Unfortunately the state agency that is proposed to control that land in the event of a turnover has zero oversight and would sell that land off as they see fit, so we would lose access anyway. We need a better plan that prohibits this and also address the loss of PILT funds that rural towns depend on to operate.
    But we actually have some pull over the state, the Feds have us by the balls. And the state doesn't assassinate protestors and round up buddy supporters. The .gov does what the fuck they please and answer to no one
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    My other big concern about this, is that I live close to moon rocks and frankly I don't want the Indian res border any closer to my house. Next thing I know the res garbage, feral animals and undesirable people will be spilling over into my backyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUILTnotBOUGHT View Post
    But we actually have some pull over the state, the Feds have us by the balls. And the state doesn't assassinate protestors and round up buddy supporters. The .gov does what the fuck they please and answer to no one
    I hear what you are saying and fully support the state taking back the land, I just want to see a better plan that guarantees our continued access with an entity that has rules and oversight managing those lands, so they stay public. Sandoval showed us how much the wants of the people mean to our state politicians, not a damn thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUILTnotBOUGHT View Post
    But we actually have some pull over the state, the Feds have us by the balls. And the state doesn't assassinate protestors and round up buddy supporters. The .gov does what the fuck they please and answer to no one
    If by rounding up buddy supporters you mean the arrest of people who openly broke the law, then they should expect it. I have seen many protesters for any number of causes get arrested and expected to thus bringing additional attention to the cause they were putting forth. If it works or not in many cases is hard to judge. Who was assassinated? If you refer to the guy running a roadblock, yelling threats, I tend to think yelling to police that your blood will be on their hands as an intimation that you are not going down without inciting some form of violence, then jumping out of you stuck vehicle and apparently going for a weapon as bring on your own death and as maybe your own fault.
    More pull on state officials? Can't really say I've seen that work that great either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlmjr58 View Post
    If by rounding up buddy supporters you mean the arrest of people who openly broke the law, then they should expect it. I have seen many protesters for any number of causes get arrested and expected to thus bringing additional attention to the cause they were putting forth. If it works or not in many cases is hard to judge. Who was assassinated? If you refer to the guy running a roadblock, yelling threats, I tend to think yelling to police that your blood will be on their hands as an intimation that you are not going down without inciting some form of violence, then jumping out of you stuck vehicle and apparently going for a weapon as bring on your own death and as maybe your own fault.
    More pull on state officials? Can't really say I've seen that work that great either.
    If that's what you think really happened your a sheeple. Multiple videos paint a much different picture imo, considering shots were being fired at him and hitting him in the stomach before he "reached for a weapon" and was shot in the back of the head by Oregon state patrol hiding in the woods
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlmjr58 View Post
    If by rounding up buddy supporters you mean the arrest of people who openly broke the law, then they should expect it. I have seen many protesters for any number of causes get arrested and expected to thus bringing additional attention to the cause they were putting forth. If it works or not in many cases is hard to judge. Who was assassinated? If you refer to the guy running a roadblock, yelling threats, I tend to think yelling to police that your blood will be on their hands as an intimation that you are not going down without inciting some form of violence, then jumping out of you stuck vehicle and apparently going for a weapon as bring on your own death and as maybe your own fault.
    More pull on state officials? Can't really say I've seen that work that great either.
    Too bad you weren't around during the revolutionary war, to tell those "founding fathers" that they were breaking the law and might get arrested and stuff..
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